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we're here because we don't buy into the

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we're tired of the mundane passionless

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careers we've been shuffled into as a

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result of this orchestrated debt-based

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system of rule

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and the stranglehold on education

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entertainment by cold soulless

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corporations

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people yes we are frustrated yes

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we are tired and we reject the

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pre-approved tranquilizers that are

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monday night football and an ice cold

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we have to stop hiding stop hiding

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behind the headphones in the cherry

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popper 420 username

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let the world see that the resistance is

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strong and society is changing

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it was a time to be anonymous but that

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time has passed

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and so the higher side chats would like

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to present conspiracies as the dawning

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of this new paradigm in the uniform of

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the revolution

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because bold fashion should mean more

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than some celebrity meat dress or frappe

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and a sleeping polo

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conspiracies redefines bold fashion as

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having the balls to project socially

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uncomfortable

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and unpopular truths from your radiant

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[\h__\h] day conspiracies.net

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let them know that you know bold designs

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for trouble times

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in the 1930s roosevelt the dress the

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nation through a series of radio

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broadcasts

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known as the fireside chats his aim was

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to reassure the common man that our

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society would recover from its troubled

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for a new era of worldly frustration we

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offer a fresh conversation

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how's it going higher side chatters

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welcome to another powerful show

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drinking a little drink smoking a little

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smoke from sunny san diego i'm greg carl

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wood and people we all know the largest

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aspect of the big conspiracy

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is manipulation and the complete control

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of the population

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the elite try to dress up our

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enslavement with flashing lights and

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pretty colors but the reality is that

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we've had our dreams goals and actions

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hijacked by green paper

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and these sorcerers of the system have

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cast a spell of servitude

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to which we measure our sense of worth

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and this power structure

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has all but guaranteed your

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participation by limiting your options

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controlling your education and applying

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just enough pressure to convince you

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that there's no time to think about

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anything other than your pace on the

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never ending treadmill of capitalism

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it's a damn shame people and today we're

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going to examine one of the possible

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alternatives you've been denied by

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mainstream culture

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and today's guest was bold enough to

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turn in her life as a creative director

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at a new york city marketing firm

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and distance herself from the monetary

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monster in exchange for a sustainable

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life in an off the grid community

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mastering the art of making things she

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once bought she's the author of the good

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life lab radical experiments and

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hands-on living

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her name is wendy tremaine and it's a

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pleasure to have her share a little of

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her knowledge with us today wendy

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welcome to the show

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hey greg thanks that was a really nice

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uh description of what you guys are

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appreciative of you being here sometimes

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you know i daydream about this whole off

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the grid sustainable living lifestyle

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weigh in the pros and cons the

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sacrifices against the freedoms and i

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really admire anyone who's had the guts

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someone the other day and they were like

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it seemed so hard

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but everybody's just afraid of what's

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outside because they're just familiar

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with the surroundings they'd rather just

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it's funny isn't it it's kind of sad but

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reunion and it was a blast but i ran

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i'm like hey man i haven't talked to you

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in forever how's life what's new and you

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the summary of someone's entire decade

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see like the working poor

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that's the working poor

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yeah land of the free isn't it madness

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you know but let's talk about your

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journey you know when did you start

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thinking about making such a

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radical alternative change in lifestyle

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of had an allergy

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to the commodification of culture

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long island suburban high school and um

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had to do with status and like

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none of us had a job yet you know but

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sensitive to it and i thought everybody

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sick and i didn't understand like why i

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rat race and i was like okay

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uh employers asking me to lie for them

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as part of my job

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money to be honest

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people just don't know how to take care

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of themselves

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i don't know if this is true but i like

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to think about this stuff

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people very nervous right we have all

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these like nervous conditions now and

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drugs for that and i think maybe

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maybe on us like really deep level we

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that the knowledge we've amassed is all

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acculturated knowledge

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so like how to run the media and how to

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on the internet and it's all this like

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civilization knowledge

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but we don't we kind of know we don't

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know how to like

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light a match without i mean live fire

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without a match and like grow a tomato

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nervous systems like

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know that we know how to live

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have to kill an animal and skin it and

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foreign that we don't do that it's part

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about this but i i'm a woman so i can't

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like isn't there a part of you guys that

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oh my god strong words it's it's some

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i know i feel for you guys all the time

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interested in is burning man and that

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got you kind of on that path right i

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uh yeah it did well have you been i want

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to ask first

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something called the symbiosis gathering

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some little festival type things but

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um you know that's the crown jewel and i

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haven't made it there yet

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but uh it seems pretty fascinating it

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our time and i do think it is important

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is we don't have another context like

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so we only live in one context and you

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can call it the default world it's like

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the civilization that we

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built and we live in but when you go to

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you're in a wonder world you're in a

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city a real city

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with everything from opera to hair

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to ice cream trucks to you know cafes

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no economy it's a gift economy and

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it is so utterly different from the

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default world that

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what it does is it like triggers you in

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ways

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this world can't and never will because

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it's different

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and when you get triggered every time

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you do there's a discovery like oh wow i

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didn't know i was that

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oh wow i didn't realize i cared about

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this

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and you realize you're like so many new

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things you never knew

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so it's really like a process of

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discovery and then

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on the other hand it has a tendency to

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be like a reset button for people

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where you go to burning man everything

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becomes so clear

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and you see all the ways you're full of

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[\h__\h] in your regular life

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and um it's not it's not um on typical

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what i did i got back from burning man i

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dumped my

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career i got a divorce i like

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learned to be a yoga teacher which

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wasn't even on my map before you know

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so i would say run don't walk you know

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this is like

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the living model of atlantis in our time

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yeah it's it's really interesting how

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the gift economy i've heard it explained

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to me before as like

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you have to produce something and then

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it's a barter system is that accurate or

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is it a lot more

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is that too simplistic of a view it's

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actually not not accurate and uh uh

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they're for a specific reason so barter

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in the united states is technically

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taxable and only a gift is not

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so it's very important at burning man

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and they are always trying to remind

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the culture there that barter is not

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acceptable

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that's not what a gift economy is giving

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has to be a gift with no expectation in

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return

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huh and and through that system i guess

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because you're dealing with like-minded

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people everyone seems to

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get their needs provided for yeah

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so you know what happens is it becomes

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competitive gifting

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so by the end of the week you're like no

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more don't

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give me anything like i have to take

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this crap home

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you know yeah that's kind of funny but

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while you're in the city

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what it feels like the experiential

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level is

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you have to get used to that every camp

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everything you see

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is for you it's meant for you to enter

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to go

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in to touch to take what you need

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like that can be really disorienting at

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first

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yeah i can imagine but it sounds so cool

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i definitely want to try it out

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in your book what seems to be a pretty

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big turning point

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is you made the pledge to stop

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making decisions based on money i mean

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how radical a change was that

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that was like the key moment really i

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mean i well actually i got back from

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burning man

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in 2002 i think it was my second year

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there

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and i literally drove across country and

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i just pulled into new york city and

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five hours later the world trade center

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dropped

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and i'm like still covered in playa dust

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you know

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this like dust that you pick up all over

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yourself from being a burning man

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and i look in manhattan and everybody

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else is covered in dust now but a

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different dust

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and it was it was totally cryptic and i

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knew at that moment

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that this was like the symbol you know

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there's not one minute more i'm going to

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make a decision based on money because

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it's stupid

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so um i didn't know what that would mean

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you know

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but um i just let that be like a mantra

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like what does it mean to not base

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myself on money

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and it led to a lot of weird stuff you

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know i quit a great career

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and i moved to new mexico

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tell me a little bit more about that

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actual journey the journey to new mexico

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i mean

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i'm sure there were some big

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self-realizations involved with that

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some logistical problems you had to sort

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through

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um you know it's kind of easier than

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you'd think i think the harder thing

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really like the harder thing is to go

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from rural america into a city

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because you just have to like up cycle

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your nervous system and just start

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adapting um but when you go the other

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way it's i think a lot easier

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you're going from needing a ton of money

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to needing very little

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you're going from having no time to

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having nothing but time

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um you know life opens up and spreads

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out and it becomes

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spacious and you have time to like

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gather your thoughts

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and figure out what you really want and

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just do whatever

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your heart has a whim for and that's you

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know

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we did that but we applied it to living

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so you know we went to new mexico and

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said okay i'm not going to buy it i got

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to make it

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let's start with shelter roof over our

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head then we went to power

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then to fuel and eventually down to

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domestic goods

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um so really i think the the difficulty

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of the move

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is just making it just doing it we

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didn't overthink it

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and then believing that you're actually

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capable of making all this stuff which

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you are

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that's a big thing for me just coming

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off this high school reunion and most of

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my friends have kids which you know

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that's its own thing but they most most

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of them have houses and i'm living here

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in san diego and i'm like man houses

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here

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are a million dollars percent is a

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hundred thousand dollars

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um i don't see myself having that

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sitting in the bank anytime soon so

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i've thought about um you know shortcuts

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to get ahead

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or you know making a shelter maybe

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buying land and

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and building a house this paper crete

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was uh pretty interesting i mean is this

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are there techniques for building that

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you think

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people could utilize if they knew more

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about them

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uh you know definitely so you know there

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what you're describing greg is like the

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common problem it's like okay

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i'm either gonna have like a million

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dollar mortgage in a

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densely populated area or i'm gonna live

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in like a rural area

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and and potentially i think people worry

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miss out on culture

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and um live cheaply so just

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starting with that for a minute um my

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rent in new york city when i left was

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3 300 a month for my apartment

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and my home today in new mexico

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my taxes a year are three hundred

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dollars

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so the first thing i just want to point

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out is do you know how easy it is to

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make that

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and like all the rest is free time

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so that's the equation you have to

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choose

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um so out here you know again

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not wanting to live based on money to me

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it seemed logical

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to look to the waste stream we're

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sitting on a pile of surplus that is the

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largest in the history of the world

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there's more free materials out there

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than you could possibly imagine

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so for me i found paper we had a

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recycling center down the street

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they collected paper but they pushed it

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to new mexico's landfill

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so i was able to get it for free build a

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mixer

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turn it back into a slurry add some

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ingredients like a little cement

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and actually build domes that are

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housing

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and buildings out of paper and it was um

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i was able to build a 20 foot diameter

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14 foot apex dome uh

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for under two thousand dollars and

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that's a lot of square footage

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plus it's so insulative you don't really

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need heating or cooling

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wow yeah that sounds fascinating to me i

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i love the idea of that um

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but you said something interesting about

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you know missing out on culture and that

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is a concern to me i mean have you felt

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marginalized at all by friends and

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family when you started making this

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transition do you feel like you're

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missing out at all

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i do sometimes you know um i was just in

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new york city and i'm a new yorker and

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the grandeur of the old buildings and

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like the amazing venues with these

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amazing light and sound systems you know

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i'm i really

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love being impressed by that you know

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and i took advantage of that stuff and i

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still love it

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um the difference now is my rhythm

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change

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so here is where i live this is my base

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it's very very cheap

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i never need a job here i just do what i

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want

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then because i live so cheaply i do

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something that's like reverse

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vacationing

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so most people run from the cities to go

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vacation

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in the country i live in the country and

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my vacation is to go to the city um

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i save enough money by my lifestyle

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that i can afford to go to paris for a

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month and like get a great apartment for

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a few thousand bucks and just be like

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here i am i'm gonna feel better now you

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know so i do it that way

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and i find it to be fine um

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and then the other thing is like when

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you live in a place that's sparsely

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populated doesn't have a lot of culture

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it's kind of like your obligation to

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bring it so i produce

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events i bring musicians down

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you know and i do what i can to bring it

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here

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yeah that's super cool you know i think

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a lot of people would love to get away

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from their jobs and reclaim some of that

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freedom you're talking about but

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they just assumed the sacrifice and

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lifestyle would be too great you know

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energy running water internet i mean

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obviously you have internet we're

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talking right now

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that have there been any sacrifices that

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have been really hard on you

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um let's see well i mean just speaking

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of technology for a minute

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i think it's reasonable to point out

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this is really different than the

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previous back to the land movement

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i'm like very technology heavy

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i have you know a facebook account and a

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twitter and a

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flickr account and multiple websites i

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have an online

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store um i couldn't do this without

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technology and most of what i figured

564
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:07,520
out how to make came from a youtube

565
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:08,840
tutorial

566
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:11,280
so you know that's really really

567
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:12,640
relevant and different

568
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:16,080
from people who did this in the 60s um

569
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:18,880
but as far as stuff that i missed that

570
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:19,200
just

571
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:22,240
really hurts funny enough i think the

572
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:23,600
thing that um

573
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:25,200
i miss most is a little bit of

574
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:26,799
competition uh

575
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,679
creative competition yeah so like you

576
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,280
know if you're in new york san francisco

577
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,200
maybe you have it in san diego

578
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:34,960
there's like always been like an

579
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,039
underworld of art people

580
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:39,520
who are creatively competing with each

581
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,160
other

582
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:42,400
and everyone's getting bigger smarter

583
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:43,440
better and

584
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:47,039
i miss that edge yeah that's interesting

585
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:47,679
they say

586
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:50,720
capitalism but i always

587
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,039
have thought you know i like being

588
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:55,760
somewhat entrepreneurial i enjoy

589
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,320
looking at it as a game not necessarily

590
00:20:00,789 --> 00:20:00,480
a means of survival and so if needs were

591
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,799
met

592
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:02,799
i still think a great deal of people

593
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:04,640
would participate in that our egos would

594
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,520
facilitate

595
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,960
you know who wants to work on the new

596
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,480
smartphone that everyone wants whether

597
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,480
it was given away or charged for

598
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,640
i do think that competition would still

599
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:14,559
exist on a greater scale but

600
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,240
um you know obviously yeah it's going to

601
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:18,960
be less important when you don't need

602
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,480
to do that i think you're right i think

603
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,559
about that too greg

604
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,400
you know a lot of people when you talk

605
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:28,799
about that like we don't need a monetary

606
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,440
system

607
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:32,000
they get really panicky and um and get

608
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:32,840
nervous

609
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,440
and one of the things i hear a lot

610
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,120
because i do talk about it

611
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,919
is um what about the people who are lazy

612
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:41,840
and don't contribute

613
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,960
and i think that's really silly like if

614
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,880
you could imagine like a world without

615
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:48,559
money where everyone does just what they

616
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,039
want

617
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,960
trust themselves to do whatever they

618
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:52,400
want and believe

619
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:53,840
that that's going to be the best thing

620
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,080
they can do for society

621
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:57,840
wouldn't it be like the saddest thing in

622
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,360
the world to have someone who doesn't

623
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:00,880
know what to do

624
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,000
like they would you would like stop

625
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,240
and just try to help them figure it out

626
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:08,000
because that person would be so

627
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,440
impoverished

628
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:11,840
so i don't think we'd be mad at the lazy

629
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:12,799
i think we would

630
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:15,280
that would be like sad and we'd want to

631
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,559
help them

632
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,880
i agree with you and sometimes when i'm

633
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:20,559
trying to reach the conservative

634
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:21,760
republican type

635
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:24,640
who thinks that the biggest share of

636
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:25,039
their

637
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,799
taxes is going to welfare which is of

638
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,559
course not true but when i'm trying to

639
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,080
reach that kind of person i say you know

640
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,919
the best thing for your safety to

641
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,520
protect what you want which is really

642
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:34,799
what you're concerned with

643
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:37,520
would be to give everyone a basis that

644
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,320
is

645
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,559
better than jail because when it's not

646
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,240
they're going to come for your stuff

647
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,159
you know i try to appeal to them in that

648
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,720
way it's like help yourself by giving

649
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,400
everybody a basic need that's better

650
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,600
than going to prison because either

651
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:50,799
they're going to get your money and get

652
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,440
away

653
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,039
or they're going to get a meal tonight

654
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,840
and a bed to sleep in in jail

655
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,679
you know i think you set a mouthful

656
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,960
there like

657
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,240
you know i don't know if it sounds like

658
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:02,400
you've had the same thought like yeah

659
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:05,760
crop crime is often

660
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,640
a reasonable person making the smartest

661
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,159
decision in the moment

662
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,840
for their best interest and when they

663
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,840
have no other option

664
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,320
that common sense decision is actually

665
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:17,840
the smartest thing they can do

666
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,640
it just doesn't affect you in a good way

667
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,480
right

668
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:24,159
exactly i mean one of the most powerful

669
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,760
parts of your book to me

670
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,760
is you know you found yourself in jail

671
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,520
for doing some protesting

672
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,120
and you said to an african-american

673
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,200
guard do you realize your civil rights

674
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,280
were won by people willing to protest

675
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,880
and fight for him and he just says

676
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:38,640
well in a few more years i'll get my

677
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,679
pension and that is such a great example

678
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,760
of a massive disconnect from what's

679
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,360
important

680
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,159
it's crazy i know i mean again you know

681
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:50,000
people don't like to hear this but

682
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,679
whether they know it or not i see the

683
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:53,280
same thing coming from the previous

684
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,240
generations

685
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,039
who basically were probably the only

686
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,799
generations who are going to get these

687
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,200
pensions and all these payoffs

688
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,919
basically for giving the world over to

689
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:04,880
industry

690
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,679
and not bitching about it so they they

691
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,280
get their payoff right but the

692
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,880
generations behind them

693
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,919
me we're totally screwed because the

694
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,679
world's been given away they don't need

695
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,440
to give us a bonus anymore

696
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:20,080
we just are stuck in what's left so you

697
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:21,360
know my dad who's

698
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,559
85 can get a hip replacement for free

699
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,880
because he had that pension but up in my

700
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,120
40s and i can't get a pap smear

701
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,280
i'm going to be here for a while you

702
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:32,799
know yeah

703
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,440
so and that's if these corporations and

704
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,880
and stuff even honor

705
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,559
the pensions and honor the things that

706
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:40,799
they're supposed to be given

707
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,279
indeed my dad was so locked solid that

708
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,039
his pension could never be touched and

709
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:47,200
then a few years later just recently

710
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,279
we're seeing the pensions disappear so

711
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,960
yeah and again you know i think this

712
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,799
takes us right to that black and white

713
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,840
moment of

714
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,919
you've either got civilization or you've

715
00:24:01,110 --> 00:24:00,000
got nature those are the only two worlds

716
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,120
we have

717
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:04,000
and one of them is actually abundant and

718
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,520
can take care of you and the

719
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:08,640
other can't you know it just puts you in

720
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,679
this weird game that you'll never win

721
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,919
man you mentioned the technology aspect

722
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:14,960
and that was a

723
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,279
real reason why i chose you to talk

724
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,799
about this kind of stuff because i have

725
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:19,919
friends who've tried to go

726
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,640
to off-grid communities and they just

727
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,080
left kind of with their tails between

728
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,080
their legs like i can't live like that

729
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,480
i want a blending of the two somewhat

730
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,840
and you know i thought

731
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:31,200
hearing your interviews it sounds like

732
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,880
that's what you do you know you and your

733
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,679
partner

734
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,400
are pretty tech savvy like you said how

735
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,240
are you able to

736
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,240
keep your energy going i mean energy's

737
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,679
got to be a huge thing i mean

738
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,360
especially if you want to have some of

739
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:46,400
those luxuries that we're used to

740
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,279
uh yeah so we're off grid um you know

741
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,039
when we left new york we had a little

742
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:52,559
bit of a nest egg and we pretty much

743
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,520
threw the whole thing

744
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,880
at um pv solar so we're off grid and we

745
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,039
keep a bank of batteries here

746
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,400
um and basically you know we just

747
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,159
started switching because of it

748
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,120
from like two cycle gas engines to

749
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,880
things that run on batteries we became

750
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,600
very

751
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:12,400
battery oriented and of course because

752
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,440
we're trying also

753
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,480
not to be any longer part of the problem

754
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,799
we realize batteries are probably one of

755
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,520
the worst

756
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,840
toxic contributions to the landfill so

757
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,279
we tried to

758
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,559
satisfy that some way by creating a

759
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,320
circuit board and a device that

760
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,240
desulfates batteries

761
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,960
so um we're on our second model now

762
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,679
actually

763
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,200
and it's a little device that you can

764
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,360
hook up to any type of battery

765
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,200
uh multiple at a time and you can just

766
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,960
take batteries out of the trash out of

767
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,080
the dumpsters

768
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,200
and revivify them and that sort of

769
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,559
solved that loop and

770
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,039
it's a great example of using technology

771
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,000
to live a modern homesteading life

772
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,760
that's probably the hardest thing for me

773
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,840
like i'm trying to slowly

774
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,760
eliminate some builds you know eliminate

775
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,600
cable as long as i have internet

776
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,039
you can't really do anything about

777
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,960
electricity or fuel costs unless you're

778
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,480
really willing to commit to that

779
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:06,159
alternative lifestyle but

780
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,000
turning everything over to batteries is

781
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,240
that what kind of difficulties did you

782
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,240
face now was there a huge learning curve

783
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,440
in figuring all that stuff out

784
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,960
well you know again when you have

785
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,039
nothing but time

786
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,200
it just becomes like interest you know

787
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,880
like okay great i'm learning about

788
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,559
electricity i'm learning about power and

789
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,320
this is super interesting

790
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,960
and it wasn't a big learning curve um

791
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,600
solar

792
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,919
is very simple and really once it's set

793
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,640
up

794
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,880
there's pretty much no maintenance other

795
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:37,279
than refilling batteries with distilled

796
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:38,159
water

797
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,840
so um it's a really easy jump and

798
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,760
and and you're right when you mention

799
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:46,000
like electric and fuel that would be the

800
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,440
second biggie

801
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,679
um you need time and you have to choose

802
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:51,039
so you're either going to buy it at the

803
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,600
pump

804
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,760
or you're going to make it and if you

805
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:55,760
make it you need time

806
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:58,159
the biodiesel that we produce here for

807
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,520
our cars which are

808
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,360
just diesel engine cars that we didn't

809
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,640
convert

810
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:05,120
cost us about 50 cents a gallon to make

811
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:05,679
it's from

812
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:08,960
waste vegetable oil so local restaurants

813
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,919
and it takes about three to five hours a

814
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,360
week

815
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,400
which isn't that's not bad no

816
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,399
i've seen uh youtube videos and stuff

817
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:20,240
about converting your vehicle and i've

818
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,720
just

819
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,159
i've kind of wondered about their

820
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,919
credibility if it really was that easy

821
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,000
it's something i've thought about doing

822
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,080
well i would recommend not converting so

823
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,159
i've done both i converted an old

824
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,679
mercedes diesel

825
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,679
so i can run straight waste vegetable

826
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,840
oil i found a problematic

827
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:38,399
there's a lot of clogs in the lines and

828
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,760
you're always troubleshooting and a

829
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:42,080
million filter changes because that fuel

830
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:43,279
is so heavy

831
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:46,880
but i found it easier to make biodiesel

832
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,279
and not convert the car and run it

833
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,880
straight into your diesel

834
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,720
so the only difference there is when you

835
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:55,039
get waste vegetable oil you add methanol

836
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,159
and lye

837
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,159
and you clean it yourself and it's it's

838
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,520
something you do in a five gallon

839
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:01,440
plastic tote it's not like a big deal

840
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:02,640
you don't need like a

841
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:06,240
manufacturing setup right on

842
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,279
yeah well it's worth it it sounds like

843
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,880
it would be i mean another thing i think

844
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,559
that scares people is if you're going to

845
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:14,159
live without money you're not going to

846
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,559
have

847
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,559
medical benefits or there's a fear of

848
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,159
not being able to get help if you're

849
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,600
sick or injured i mean has that been a

850
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:20,880
concern at times

851
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:23,679
you were injured pretty early on right

852
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,080
sure

853
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:26,240
yeah that definitely is and it's a

854
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,360
biggie um

855
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,039
i'll tell you what we're doing and i

856
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,480
think this is really

857
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,320
about what stage of life you're in and

858
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,640
how old you are and stuff like that but

859
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,799
um so we were working well first of all

860
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:38,960
i was never the kind of person

861
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,320
who was buying into the medical system

862
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,240
that we currently have

863
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,799
yeah yeah so i was never going to like

864
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,320
let someone put me on a prescription

865
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,080
might for the rest of my life or like do

866
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,159
unnecessary surgeries i don't consider

867
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,000
myself a billing cycle

868
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,520
so um i was opting out anyway and kind

869
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,440
of taking health into my own hands

870
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,919
that being said um you know working with

871
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,919
power tools building a homestead i was

872
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,679
like well why don't i take my arm off i

873
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,000
really want someone to put it back on

874
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,799
so um so my partner mikey and i just

875
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,240
carry catastrophic

876
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,720
which is anything that costs more than

877
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:15,919
five thousand dollars

878
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:18,880
is covered and um and that's great

879
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,360
because

880
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,200
okay we'll pay five grand on something

881
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,520
big but you know nothing big can ever

882
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:26,159
destroy our lives and put us into debt

883
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,200
so

884
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,240
that costs us about 100 to 150 a month

885
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:33,039
each and um and then you know the

886
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,200
supplements we consider our healthcare

887
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,919
our garden living in a place that has no

888
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,600
industry and pollution

889
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,960
you know we just try to really take care

890
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,720
of ourselves

891
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,039
a big part of the conspiracy community

892
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,360
they fear economic collapse or a police

893
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,720
state type crackdown

894
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,240
and you know they see it as a real

895
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,840
possibility but they're still marching

896
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,520
along towards the cliff with everyone

897
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,120
else and that's kind of where

898
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,720
i look at things like this and i see

899
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:58,399
what you're doing and i'm like man that

900
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:59,120
is

901
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,559
you know i need to do that before it's

902
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:02,000
too late i mean do you feel like you've

903
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,679
created a life that kind of operates

904
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,520
outside of those concerns or at least

905
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,039
that you're better prepared if something

906
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:09,600
like that were to occur

907
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:12,159
i like to think that a little bit i

908
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,200
don't know that it's

909
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,279
true i think we're all in this together

910
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,200
no matter where you're at but

911
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,320
um for example i'm like one of the only

912
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,080
or i had been one of the only solar

913
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,080
systems in my area that's totally off

914
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,760
grid not even connected

915
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,000
to the city supply i'm on batteries so

916
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,520
i'm totally independent

917
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,840
and you know i thought to myself well if

918
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:32,880
there was

919
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,520
um a problem and the military was really

920
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,360
moving in and blah blah blah

921
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,360
the first compound they would take and

922
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,799
make their own is mine

923
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,120
because it's true they would take it in

924
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,559
five minutes so

925
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,720
you know what what what's the benefit i

926
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,080
really have and

927
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,640
it's knowledge like i built this thing i

928
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,159
know how it works

929
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,480
and that's what i get to take away with

930
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,559
me and they can take it if they want it

931
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,640
but the more valuable thing is what i

932
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,679
have inside so i mean

933
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,039
you know i'm a lot of people's

934
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,120
apocalyptic plan friends and cities are

935
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,640
like i'm going to your house when it

936
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:07,760
hits the fan

937
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,960
um i think what's more important is this

938
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,120
way of living

939
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,360
it calms our nervous system to know we

940
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,279
know how to take care of ourselves

941
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:20,000
so your day-to-day quality of life is

942
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,880
calm

943
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:23,519
you're not in a panic what if what if

944
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,240
and

945
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,720
i guess to me that's the greater benefit

946
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:28,159
who knows what's going to happen or how

947
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,360
long it's going to take

948
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,519
but if you feel good every day that that

949
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,200
matters right and i think

950
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,919
so many people don't uh a friend of mine

951
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,360
said something i thought was

952
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:40,159
pretty poetic and we were walking around

953
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,600
just doing some people watching he's

954
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,960
like you know the only people that are

955
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,840
smiling are

956
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,000
advertisements and i was like oh that's

957
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,080
so sad

958
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,399
but oh greg that's what i miss most

959
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,600
people watching

960
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,880
yeah it's gonna be fun uh it's a good

961
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:56,640
a lot of cautionary tales out there of

962
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,120
how not to how not to be but

963
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,120
um you know you went into this thing

964
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,519
without a ton of handyman skills or

965
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,039
a lot of building experience from what i

966
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,279
understand i mean you've just developed

967
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,720
these skills along the way right i mean

968
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:10,000
what are some of the most impressive

969
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,720
skills

970
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,080
you've learned throughout this change

971
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,480
yeah it's true when we left new york we

972
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,399
had a soldering iron

973
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,640
and uh we had a sewing machine that both

974
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,960
of us could like barely use

975
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,960
and um you know there's a cute little

976
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,320
illustration in the book and

977
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:28,080
i don't want to down play and it's

978
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,679
really important but i think this the

979
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,559
first step is

980
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,320
you have to get used to just starting

981
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,559
stuff even though you don't know how

982
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,320
and that could be hard because you know

983
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,480
in especially corporate world we're all

984
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,600
sort of

985
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,679
pumped toward this unreasonable

986
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,840
expectation of perfection right

987
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,600
so you just have to start and then

988
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,720
you're going to break it you're going to

989
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,240
get it wrong and you have to just

990
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,799
accept that that's kind of messy and fun

991
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,519
um but you know in new york i had like

992
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,679
three or four skills i was in marketing

993
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:57,279
i could tell you what i did in like a

994
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:58,320
minute

995
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,240
and now i have like so many skills

996
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:03,919
i couldn't tell you about it if we sat

997
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:06,720
at a fire all night

998
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,919
but some of them are making botanical

999
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,120
medicines

1000
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,240
growing food and processing it

1001
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,880
doing the home fabrication so mikey in

1002
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,159
particular is printing

1003
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,039
his own circuit boards and building

1004
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,559
actual

1005
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:25,679
widgets from start to finish um

1006
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,640
we do a lot of filtering for biofuel for

1007
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,440
water for beverages

1008
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,120
i've done some building which includes

1009
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:34,960
plumbing electric insulation

1010
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:38,000
wood and metal work textile work sewing

1011
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:41,360
silk screening um i know a lot about

1012
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,200
batteries and power so

1013
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,080
yeah and you know uh i'm not great at

1014
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:49,760
all those things you know but i'm like

1015
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,080
good enough that i can have a life of my

1016
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,559
own and not need help you know yeah

1017
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,760
that's one of the most interesting

1018
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:57,519
aspects to me is just developing those

1019
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,399
skills and it's

1020
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,519
hard to really imagine

1021
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,519
unlimited time or control of your time

1022
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,120
that way to just sit down

1023
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,840
and learn because even from i mean since

1024
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,280
kindergarten

1025
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:12,000
eight hours a day five days a week is

1026
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,599
taken from you and you

1027
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,679
learn at at five years old that that's

1028
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,280
just the way it's gonna be

1029
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,119
forever you know you might get lucky and

1030
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:20,560
get one of those jobs that you have to

1031
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,520
work a little less

1032
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,839
but for the most most people that's the

1033
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,200
way it's going to be so

1034
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,599
it's really it's kind of hard to imagine

1035
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,040
you know really just being able to sit

1036
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,040
down and tinker with stuff but

1037
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,919
it sounds so uh so appealing just to

1038
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,520
have those skills because i think you're

1039
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,599
right in the nervous system you know

1040
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,200
that uh if your car breaks down in the

1041
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,800
desert you're probably gonna die if

1042
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,639
system collapses you probably got two

1043
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,240
days before you're gonna die

1044
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,240
it's uh it's kind of it's a messed up

1045
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,879
way to live that dependency

1046
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:51,040
yeah well i'm curious greg like if you

1047
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,159
were just afraid

1048
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:54,720
of everything you have to do right now

1049
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,440
what would be

1050
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,599
like the tinkering thing you would want

1051
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,960
to take on like what have you always

1052
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,400
wanted to do

1053
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,240
i think i think for me the thing i would

1054
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,400
find most interesting or fun to work out

1055
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,720
is energy if i could power everything

1056
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,160
that i enjoy

1057
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,320
uh on my own off the grid because i feel

1058
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,800
like that's one of those shackles that

1059
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,200
you really can't get around it and a lot

1060
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,800
off the good communities you know it's

1061
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,320
just something they don't have

1062
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,760
you know they just deal without it

1063
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,440
rather than implementing it

1064
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,839
and i couldn't do it without so if i

1065
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,599
could really harness solar

1066
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,200
and really harness energies that were

1067
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,880
sustainable i think that would be most

1068
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,720
interesting to me

1069
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:33,599
yeah i'm sure you'd have fun doing it i

1070
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,000
am

1071
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,000
i'm always fascinated you know like when

1072
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,920
i talk to people like stock brokers

1073
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,680
and you know whatever people of all

1074
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,040
different careers

1075
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:43,200
they they all have like a secret thing

1076
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,560
like i really just want to be an

1077
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,400
electrician you know

1078
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,359
that's so funny it is or i really just

1079
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,280
want to be a bike messenger and shoot

1080
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,280
snot rockets

1081
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,040
well you know i i do this show and i

1082
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:57,040
also print t-shirts that are conspiracy

1083
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,320
related and then

1084
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,400
i also have a nine to five job that

1085
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,400
funds everything else that i enjoy

1086
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,440
in a in a middle class lifestyle and

1087
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,280
you know i really think if i could just

1088
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,960
do the other two things

1089
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,880
and not make money from them or barely

1090
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,320
make enough to pay for that

1091
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,520
extreme insurance and the phone plan and

1092
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:17,040
the few things i wouldn't want to do

1093
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,760
without

1094
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:20,320
i'd be way happier and i'm kind of in

1095
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:20,880
that

1096
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,160
transitionary area but i think a lot of

1097
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,000
people need to get out of the mindset

1098
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:29,040
that your passion is probably not going

1099
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:30,240
to bring you as much

1100
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,839
income as the 9 to 5 job's going to be

1101
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,680
but you're going to get back

1102
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,040
what you put into it and you're going to

1103
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:39,599
get it back in in time and freedom and

1104
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,000
pride

1105
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:42,960
a lot of people don't care about what

1106
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:45,599
they're doing in their nine-to-five job

1107
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:48,960
it's true um yeah

1108
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:51,599
i think you're really right i don't know

1109
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:52,160
you know i

1110
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,520
i'm thinking about the part you said

1111
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,839
where you might not make as much money

1112
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,359
and i think there's something in there

1113
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,280
that you know everyone could take a

1114
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,680
moment to look at which is

1115
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,839
you know the rise and fall of markets

1116
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,240
and the swings of money are so

1117
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,720
bizarre and they used to make sense like

1118
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,800
oh there was no rain in florida so the

1119
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:11,760
oranges went up

1120
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:15,200
but now it's so convoluted because

1121
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,079
um you know money is being made on like

1122
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:20,480
weird models and trickery and financing

1123
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:21,520
tricks

1124
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,640
so you know when you're saving money do

1125
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,160
you really feel like you're saving

1126
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,640
something stable and secure

1127
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,440
because i didn't and when i switched

1128
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:33,200
over from saving money

1129
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,320
to putting that money into tools that i

1130
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,079
could use to make stuff

1131
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,240
i thought i had something more reliable

1132
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,000
than when i had cash

1133
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,160
yeah that's a great point too you know

1134
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,440
something i've thought about i've talked

1135
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:47,040
to friends about doing this kind of

1136
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,160
transition

1137
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,960
and some of the cynical ones they have

1138
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,200
this impression that

1139
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,400
you know yeah you're not really going to

1140
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,839
get your freedom back you're going to

1141
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,440
get you're going to get your time

1142
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,839
but you're going to spend all that time

1143
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,040
trying to

1144
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,320
make build and and get the things that

1145
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:06,079
we already have you know like we talked

1146
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,520
about spending time sitting there and

1147
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:09,119
tinkering with things do you feel like

1148
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,240
you have

1149
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,000
more free time is that a fallacy you

1150
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,599
probably have more free time than you

1151
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:15,359
ever did but do you feel like you spend

1152
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,000
a lot of it

1153
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:19,119
doing the hard labor it's a great

1154
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,760
question

1155
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:22,400
so if you think about it logically the

1156
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,440
answer is there

1157
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,119
it's like you're not going to build your

1158
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,280
house twice you're not going to set up

1159
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,720
your pv solar twice

1160
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,240
yeah right that's true you are going to

1161
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:32,000
make fuel every week and you are going

1162
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,480
to

1163
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,760
garden every single day but like for me

1164
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,720
i didn't it took

1165
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,800
years for me to learn how to sew because

1166
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,720
i had bigger stuff to do first i had to

1167
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,640
build a privacy wall to build

1168
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,720
buildings but i'm never going to do

1169
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:46,640
those things again now i just maintain

1170
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,960
them

1171
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,560
it doesn't take that much time to do

1172
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,040
that so as the years

1173
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:53,200
pass my free time increases

1174
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,400
exponentially

1175
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,359
and um i get to do more of the kind of

1176
00:39:02,710 --> 00:38:59,359
labor that's like whimsy

1177
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,720
and fun um but to be honest

1178
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:05,520
the thing i worry most about in my life

1179
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,240
is that

1180
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,359
labor should ever end because

1181
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,400
i realize my happiness is very much

1182
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,160
in being in a rhythm and

1183
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,720
that rhythm has to include labor i see

1184
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,079
that firsthand

1185
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,079
and if anyone ever took labor away from

1186
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:23,839
me and just like did it for me

1187
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:27,200
i would be really unhappy so i'm glad

1188
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,640
there's always another project

1189
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,240
i'm building a bike rack i'm building a

1190
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:32,079
new outdoor shower like i never want

1191
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:33,599
that to end

1192
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,880
it's an interesting perspective how like

1193
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,359
as far as uh conveniences like showers

1194
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:41,040
and plumbing i mean how do you deal with

1195
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:42,880
those is that a big stretch from

1196
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,800
what's conventional yeah my view changed

1197
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,800
wildly on these things i never thought

1198
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,079
i'd be saying this but

1199
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,400
um i'm desperate to shut off all the

1200
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,320
toilets in the house and get rid of them

1201
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,720
i don't want them anymore

1202
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:59,680
yup i think they're really stupid and i

1203
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,000
i'm

1204
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:02,560
this year is my main goal is to get an

1205
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:03,200
outdoor

1206
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,520
just composts

1207
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,720
um plumbing is stupid uh

1208
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:12,240
i don't want to fix toilets my whole

1209
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:13,280
life you know i don't want to be

1210
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,240
involved in it

1211
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,640
bears are really pain in the ass and

1212
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,839
expensive

1213
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,359
and it doesn't make sense to lock

1214
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,599
yourself in a small room and uh

1215
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,240
like use it that way um and it doesn't

1216
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,079
make sense to flush drinking water

1217
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:29,119
you know like it's crazy so i'd much

1218
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,079
rather

1219
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,640
be outside in a cool room that i design

1220
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:33,599
really well

1221
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:37,200
um yeah so plumbing's really a pain

1222
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,240
i already disconnected my showers and i

1223
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:42,560
bathe outside exclusively and have for

1224
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,319
years but i do have the benefit of

1225
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:46,000
having a hot mineral spring

1226
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,839
in my yard wow so that helps

1227
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,359
yeah i mean i think a lot of people get

1228
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,200
so attached to that privacy

1229
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,400
in those type of moments um did you

1230
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:58,400
ever have a struggle with that or was it

1231
00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:59,520
something you just were like

1232
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,119
the pros outweighed the cons well when i

1233
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:05,200
was a city girl like i definitely would

1234
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,760
have

1235
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,000
like listened to myself today and said

1236
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,760
that girl's crazy

1237
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,160
but i think anybody who showers outside

1238
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,920
after a few times or

1239
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,240
uses an outdoor bathroom they start to

1240
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,079
prefer it very quickly

1241
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,079
because it's really lovely to be outside

1242
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:22,000
i mean we're all starved of the outdoors

1243
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:23,520
because of our jobs

1244
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,319
um you know it's great and you don't

1245
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,400
need a hot spring either to make hot

1246
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:30,400
water outdoors you can just take

1247
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,480
any tank paint it black face it south

1248
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,319
let the sun cook it all day and you'll

1249
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,160
have a hot shower every night

1250
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,520
and it's free yeah yeah that's awesome i

1251
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,119
love hearing those little things

1252
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,640
uh and you know it's funny about

1253
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,079
plumbing because there's a meme on the

1254
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:48,560
internet that's a photograph of

1255
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,319
some a volunteer helping some african

1256
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,720
kid and he says so let me get this

1257
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:56,800
straight you have refillable bowls of

1258
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,800
clean water and you [\h__\h] in them

1259
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,560
and it is so funny because people don't

1260
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,000
think about it that way like people

1261
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,240
on most a lot of third world countries

1262
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,160
would die to have a refillable bowl of

1263
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,920
water and they would not use it the way

1264
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:09,760
we do

1265
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:12,560
yeah i find a similar sentiment i notice

1266
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,440
i don't know about you

1267
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:16,240
but people seem to not know that the

1268
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:16,880
planet

1269
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,000
only has one water and like

1270
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,480
no one's ever gonna bring more and it

1271
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,880
doesn't make more of itself

1272
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,560
so there's this like when i talk to

1273
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,079
people i can tell they think that

1274
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,319
somehow water is being rejuvenated

1275
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,359
and you know there's more being made but

1276
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,440
there isn't and there never will be so

1277
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:36,800
when you poop in water

1278
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:43,430
that's funny yeah um it's weird well

1279
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,079
let's talk about

1280
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,920
food obviously food's a huge concern we

1281
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,920
haven't really talked about it um

1282
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,839
seems like right now based on the book

1283
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,520
you've got some pretty fine-tuned

1284
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,640
systems for food production right

1285
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,480
yeah you know like i said once you get

1286
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:58,079
the big stuff out of the way you get

1287
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:58,960
into the small

1288
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,760
and um mikey and i both love being in

1289
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,640
the kitchen

1290
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,640
because it's really like a lab and it

1291
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,960
the payoff is so big you know in health

1292
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:07,680
and in just

1293
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,720
the sensuousness of food so

1294
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,119
lately we're into like a lot of illegal

1295
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,640
stuff because the payoffs are really

1296
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,200
high like

1297
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,040
making you run out really because like

1298
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,520
making your own alcohol for a tincture

1299
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,920
um it would cost me a hundred dollars a

1300
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:22,720
gallon to

1301
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,160
buy organic alcohol but you can

1302
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,640
you know make alcohol just with a

1303
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,640
distiller off amazon that's meant

1304
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,920
for water so and you can make that same

1305
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,000
gallon of alcohol for five bucks

1306
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:39,440
um we also like fermenting so making

1307
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,160
kimchi

1308
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,400
we like making alcohol for drinking like

1309
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,200
meat and wine

1310
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,119
we have a blast in the kitchen i hope to

1311
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:49,760
be growing mushrooms next year

1312
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:52,000
so do you do any of this at home do you

1313
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,040
cook at home

1314
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,359
no i mean my girlfriend's a she went to

1315
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,359
culinary school and she loves it um but

1316
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,720
my one of my big concerns with this

1317
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,079
stuff is i eat

1318
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,160
almost exclusively meat and it's so

1319
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:04,000
terrible and i treat my body like a

1320
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,200
garbage can

1321
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,839
and i want her you know doing a kind of

1322
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:09,760
off the grid living you'd have to

1323
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:13,119
it kind of has to be vegetable based um

1324
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,800
you know just for the the waste and the

1325
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:19,040
amount of energy required to eat a meat

1326
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:20,480
diet on your own

1327
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:24,079
would be pretty taxing well you know

1328
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,560
what we

1329
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:27,200
found yeah so our garden obviously is

1330
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:28,000
right out the door

1331
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,520
it's easy but um i get here

1332
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,839
uh bison that weren't even raised by

1333
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,839
anybody they're just on the open range

1334
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,160
so it's like beyond organic

1335
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:41,040
and um yeah and there'll be a hunt and

1336
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,480
everyone in town will kind of

1337
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,800
go in on it and buy the animal and you

1338
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,400
know it's it's pretty low-fi

1339
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,560
like someone will set up a butcher shop

1340
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,880
in their backyard and everyone in town

1341
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,240
comes and you get like

1342
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,440
bison for three dollars a pound um

1343
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,359
but again i get i have access to

1344
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,960
tremendously good meats like i just

1345
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:01,200
split a pig with somebody so my freezer

1346
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:02,839
is stuffed with um

1347
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,160
pork um and again it's beyond organic

1348
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,160
it's just raised you know on someone's

1349
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,599
yard

1350
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,560
so yeah you can really get meat pretty

1351
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,839
easily actually

1352
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,319
that's awesome do you ever worry about

1353
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,240
being raided or anything like you hear

1354
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,280
stories about

1355
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:21,599
farmers are trying to sell raw milk and

1356
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:22,319
they

1357
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,720
big drug operation going or something i

1358
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,400
mean because the system doesn't like

1359
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,640
people to have examples of successful

1360
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,240
self-sustaining communities is it a

1361
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,240
concern for you ever

1362
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,960
well we've seen some of that here our

1363
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:37,599
community

1364
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,880
so they

1365
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:43,359
they decided to take some government

1366
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,079
money

1367
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:46,000
and that was to help fund this kitchen

1368
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:47,359
and the benefit of a community kitchen

1369
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:47,920
is

1370
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,160
to resell into stores

1371
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,760
you can't do that with stuff you made at

1372
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,400
home it's not a health proof kitchen

1373
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:59,119
so to make a long story short once they

1374
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,240
took that money

1375
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,079
then the government was coming in

1376
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:03,839
looking over their investment

1377
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,800
and saying hey you guys also run the

1378
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,760
farmer's market

1379
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,520
you can't have that raw milk you can't

1380
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:11,280
have that raw cheese you can't do this

1381
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,480
you can't do that

1382
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:15,040
and they turned the citizens who started

1383
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,599
the kitchen

1384
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,480
into police that were policing their own

1385
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,520
community

1386
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,839
and it got really ugly and it was very

1387
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,240
just fracturing to our community

1388
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,800
so you know my my solution to that would

1389
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:28,560
be don't take the freaking money

1390
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,680
you know right really now they're a big

1391
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,880
pain in the ass

1392
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,160
yeah i mean that brings up another

1393
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:36,079
question did you ever face issues and

1394
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:36,880
regulations

1395
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,040
like building codes and and things

1396
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,480
you're building or do they just not get

1397
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,240
out that far

1398
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,640
no for sure we did you know it's a

1399
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,079
little wild west out here you can get

1400
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,440
away with a lot but not

1401
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:50,960
everything what we did to skirt

1402
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:54,319
those building issues was anyone can do

1403
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,640
this

1404
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,880
you can go to a structural engineer and

1405
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,960
say here's my crazy idea i'm going to

1406
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,720
build a dome out of paper

1407
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,880
and you can you know download sketch for

1408
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,760
free and it'll

1409
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,839
give you the ability to express your

1410
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,880
ideas visually

1411
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,000
in a form that an engineer can read and

1412
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,400
um in our case he looked at our plans he

1413
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:14,000
said i think you're over building it

1414
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,560
actually

1415
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,960
he put a stamp of approval on it and

1416
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,640
once you get that stamp

1417
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,359
you can take that to the state record

1418
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,720
and once it's there

1419
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,359
they can't turn it down um they can't

1420
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:26,960
stop you from building

1421
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:30,079
that method so that's a really nice

1422
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,200
workaround

1423
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,440
for dealing with building inspectors who

1424
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,520
want to get in your way

1425
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:38,800
that's awesome so yeah it seems like

1426
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,520
you've just done

1427
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,520
so much when you started it was just you

1428
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,160
and your partner and you managed to

1429
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,640
take all these different sectors of that

1430
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,920
are necessary

1431
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,920
to sustain life and just come up with

1432
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,079
all of it yourself

1433
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:54,160
well you know again thanks to the

1434
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,359
internet um

1435
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:58,240
right huge tool tremendous and you know

1436
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,119
we network

1437
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,280
a lot of community for us is on the

1438
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,559
internet um

1439
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,880
people where we live are not necessarily

1440
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:07,119
technical or modern in that particular

1441
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,920
way

1442
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,240
so um we gained a lot of knowledge from

1443
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:12,079
others that we stay connected to through

1444
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,040
the web

1445
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:15,040
and then uh you know just to make it

1446
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,079
personal we have

1447
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,400
those web friends down once every year

1448
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:20,480
or two and spend a week out here with us

1449
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,680
doing skill sharing workshops but um

1450
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:26,319
you know it's been seven eight years now

1451
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,200
so

1452
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:29,680
we did a lot but we did it over a seven

1453
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,079
or eight year period

1454
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,240
that's crazy i'm i mean i'm just in so

1455
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,160
on awe of that it's so awesome

1456
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,319
but uh you know for people who maybe are

1457
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:40,000
trying to like they can't commit you

1458
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:41,599
know like me who's not willing to go the

1459
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,480
whole way

1460
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,119
but uh would love to kind of experiment

1461
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,720
with it maybe save some money you know

1462
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:48,400
what are some easy things they can try

1463
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,359
making at home

1464
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,359
that would save them the most bang for

1465
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,359
the buck like toothpaste laundry soap

1466
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,960
stuff like that

1467
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:57,119
yeah i think you know for each of us

1468
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,240
it's it's um

1469
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,640
it's about well i would start with a a

1470
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,000
different question first which

1471
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:05,200
is um what's in my waste stream so every

1472
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,160
city every

1473
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:09,359
region has a different waste stream

1474
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,640
and you're going to find that there are

1475
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,480
particular materials that are really

1476
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,920
abundant where you are

1477
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,079
so that's free materials like start

1478
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,680
there if you're gonna

1479
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,520
you know not have skills yet and you're

1480
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,040
trying to figure it out

1481
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,119
if you wreck those materials if you make

1482
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,359
a mistake if it doesn't work out

1483
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,040
it didn't cost you anything it was

1484
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,800
already going to the trash nothing's

1485
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,200
changed and you got some experience so

1486
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,800
i really like to tell people start

1487
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:34,960
looking at the garbage

1488
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,000
the other thing is to get a book for

1489
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,160
your region on just what's free in

1490
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,720
nature in terms of plants

1491
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,720
it's really fun it'll take you out

1492
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,040
hiking it'll bring you into nature

1493
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,040
so just go start finding plants that

1494
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,880
have medicinal value

1495
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,280
and experiment and see the effect it has

1496
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,880
on your health

1497
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,599
so that also is free and economical but

1498
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,119
i would say like

1499
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,240
i think people don't realize that if you

1500
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,920
just start chipping away and start

1501
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,760
making the things you bought

1502
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,040
that you can actually change your

1503
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,280
economy radically

1504
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:12,480
so in new york city mikey and i we

1505
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,520
needed two six-figure incomes and not

1506
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:17,280
really to be middle-class just to be

1507
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,000
like

1508
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,359
okay and six years later

1509
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,960
we don't even need to earn thirty

1510
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,280
thousand dollars between us

1511
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,640
and we're so abundant it's silly

1512
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,359
so it does add up you know the

1513
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,040
toothpaste the shampoo

1514
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,800
the biofuel like it really does add up

1515
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,599
um if you don't mind me adding something

1516
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:41,599
greg just because of the nature of your

1517
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,079
show

1518
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,119
sure um i i there's something that i

1519
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,839
find very juicy in all of this which is

1520
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:50,079
you know all the we have so many laws

1521
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,200
that are based

1522
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:53,440
on the assumption that we don't have

1523
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,640
common sense

1524
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,280
and that's insulting right so you know

1525
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,880
they're saying you can't drink that raw

1526
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,040
milk you can to have raw cheese

1527
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,640
you can't do these things because you're

1528
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,160
not smart enough you don't have the

1529
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,760
sense to know what's good for you and

1530
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,880
what isn't

1531
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,119
and i think um that's kind of for me

1532
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,520
what the edge of where we are today

1533
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:14,240
you have to either take back common

1534
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,119
sense

1535
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,680
and then use it and do those things or

1536
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:19,440
you're going to let industry do it for

1537
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,240
you

1538
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,400
and they're not going to do it well and

1539
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,000
they're not thinking about your best

1540
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,599
interest or your health

1541
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,319
so you know it's kind of like we invest

1542
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,319
in acculturated knowledge which is the

1543
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:31,920
system or we invest in

1544
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,880
natural knowledge the common sense and

1545
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:37,280
i'm sure we both need a hybrid of the

1546
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,079
two

1547
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:39,760
but if you have common sense you're

1548
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,119
always going to be okay

1549
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,760
you're not reliant yeah that's

1550
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,280
refreshing to hear i think a lot of

1551
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:46,720
people worry about that i mean the

1552
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,680
education system is bought and paid for

1553
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,760
by corporations that only really want

1554
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,599
obedient workers and you're not you

1555
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,960
don't need to learn things that aren't

1556
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:55,520
going to

1557
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,400
help get you into the workforce so yeah

1558
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,000
i agree with you

1559
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:02,240
yeah and you know i think today it's

1560
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,359
like well you know

1561
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,040
i think we're all like waiting for some

1562
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,520
big action where we can get some change

1563
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:09,359
and some of the things that i just want

1564
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:10,720
to share that i feel

1565
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,920
um could be powerful would be um

1566
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,559
a demanding of a clearing of all the

1567
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,760
debt on earth

1568
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,160
of course from country to country person

1569
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,680
to person bank to bank

1570
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,319
i also think graduating college students

1571
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,240
should consider holding back their entry

1572
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:27,599
to the workforce

1573
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:30,319
and demand change from it and not give

1574
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:31,200
away their most

1575
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,319
valuable creativity and knowledge

1576
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,720
without um demanding change from the

1577
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:37,760
system

1578
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:40,880
because they can't run without them

1579
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,480
true so just a thought no i totally

1580
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,680
agree with you and i

1581
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,040
i'm a huge proponent of the

1582
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,440
resource-based economy the venus project

1583
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,040
the zeitgeist type of thing i'm sure

1584
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,559
you're familiar with that um because

1585
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:53,920
it's in your wheelhouse

1586
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,280
but uh you know sometimes i get sick of

1587
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,680
and really frustrated of just trying to

1588
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,960
convince people that it would be

1589
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,800
possible and i'm like look i can't do

1590
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,839
this my whole life

1591
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:06,079
are we gonna get past capitalism uh in

1592
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,280
the next 50 years

1593
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:10,079
probably not so then if that if that's

1594
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:10,400
going to

1595
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,160
i got to do for myself and so i look at

1596
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,119
something more like what you're doing

1597
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,839
as a as a way to get out because it's

1598
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:21,359
you can't wait for everybody else

1599
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:22,480
because life is uh

1600
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,240
it's taken away well i just read uh

1601
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:28,079
i don't know if you've read thoreau's

1602
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,760
book walden

1603
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,160
no i have not i hadn't either it's a

1604
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,760
classic but i didn't really go to high

1605
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,200
school much so

1606
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,119
but um i read it recently because people

1607
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:39,119
were comparing my book to it and he said

1608
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,319
something in it that's

1609
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,319
a lot like what you're saying now he was

1610
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,400
saying um the reason he left

1611
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,800
civilization and went to walden bonds

1612
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,400
to basically live off the land he did

1613
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:49,920
the same thing i did basically

1614
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:53,280
but in 1835 the reason he said he did it

1615
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:54,000
was

1616
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:58,319
life uh having lived his whole life in

1617
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,520
civilization

1618
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:01,839
he would learn that that wasn't living

1619
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,880
at all

1620
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:05,119
and he would discover that he never

1621
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:06,319
lived

1622
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,079
and when i read that i was like whoa

1623
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:13,040
that's powerful yeah i mean one other

1624
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,520
thing

1625
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,960
that was really good to hear you mention

1626
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:16,880
the book is planned obsolescence i think

1627
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,520
that's a

1628
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,920
an instrument in our culture that people

1629
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,040
just don't understand

1630
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:23,599
even even styles and trends in the whole

1631
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,880
fashion industry

1632
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,800
is built on the idea that you can

1633
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,000
convince people

1634
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:30,079
that there should be seasons for a

1635
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,040
certain

1636
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,599
dress and once once that time has passed

1637
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,000
that is no longer a cool thing to have

1638
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:38,720
like it's so ridiculous because clothes

1639
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:39,040
are

1640
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,880
but if you can trick people into

1641
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,280
thinking there's a fashion switch

1642
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,200
that's the mechanic of planned

1643
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,960
obsolescence it's usually more overt

1644
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,640
like a printer that stops printing after

1645
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,079
a hundred thousand prints

1646
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,640
or you know a light bulb that goes that

1647
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:59,280
bursts after you know so many hours but

1648
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,880
it is really funny and i'm glad to see

1649
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,319
that in your book is not a lot of people

1650
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,799
talk about that mechanism

1651
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,040
yeah well trend i started on early on

1652
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:08,799
because i created this textile

1653
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,680
repurposing

1654
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,599
events back in new york some years ago

1655
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,520
and you know when i was really being

1656
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,200
contemplative about waste

1657
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,839
um i was drawn right to trend and

1658
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:19,280
clothing because

1659
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,440
it's the most idiotic of all the systems

1660
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,839
you know it's basically i mean trend can

1661
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,119
really be defined

1662
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:28,240
as an artificial prompt to just dispose

1663
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,599
of perfectly

1664
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,079
good materials even though there's

1665
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,000
nothing wrong with them

1666
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:39,270
so you know people say oh but it's

1667
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,160
creative

1668
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off of racks

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00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,839
it's creative to to make something and

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00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:47,839
to hybrid and to hack but it's not

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00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:49,760
creative to go shopping

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00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,720
true i couldn't agree more wow well

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00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,079
wendy i mean it seems like it's about

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00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:55,760
that time you know i love the book i

1675
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,400
love your story it's very inspirational

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00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:00,960
um before we go i mean is there anything

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00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,760
else you've learned

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00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,359
do you think it's important for people

1679
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,870
um gosh you know have go have a life

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00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,119
just take back your creativity and

1681
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,200
i would just you know encourage

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00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,960
everybody especially kids coming out of

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00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,240
school to

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00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,319
value the thing they're giving to

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00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,079
industry value it so

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00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:22,640
much that you're going to make that

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00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,359
industry

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00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,240
work for it change for it become better

1689
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,480
if they're going to have you but

1690
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,520
just remember it can't exist without us

1691
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:34,400
you know we're the fuel on a dead system

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00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,720
or

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00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,799
the life that keeps it going we don't

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00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,480
have to give it away

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00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,599
so i agreed yeah one of my

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00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,920
favorite einstein quotes it's kind of

1697
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,520
relevant but it's more about

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00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,359
uh it's more about war but he says the

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00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:49,359
pioneers of a warless world are the

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00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,799
young men who refuse military service

1701
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,640
you know without soldiers there can be

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00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,359
no war you're not going to see obama

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00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,440
dropping drones himself with a joystick

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00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:01,760
he's got to have a guy to do that

1705
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:04,880
right so yeah it applies to all sectors

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00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:05,200
of

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00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,280
our participants you know we're

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00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,880
facilitating it so we need to

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00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:12,720
we need to really stop the gears from

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00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,079
moving if that's what we want to do

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00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,480
well i hope greg that you and i see a

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00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,520
day where

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00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,400
there's an opening for real change i

1714
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,839
know i've been waiting it sounds like

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00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,799
you have to

1716
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,559
yeah but you're a lot closer to having

1717
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:28,160
it in your own life so you

1718
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,520
you know you're not having to wait for

1719
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:31,119
that savior to come around you've saved

1720
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,400
yourself so that's that's the

1721
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,079
inspiration right there

1722
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,319
wow well thanks i do hope other people

1723
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,079
are inspired they can trust me the

1724
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,079
water's fine

1725
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,160
well said so before we go do you like to

1726
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,920
give people your uh your website or tell

1727
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:44,960
them where they can get the book

1728
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,119
stuff like that sure so um i have a blog

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00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:52,160
called holy scrap uh the url for it is

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00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:52,720
blog

1731
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,720
dot scrap hotsprings.com

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00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,319
the book's called the good life lab

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00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,720
radical experiments and hands-on living

1734
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,400
you can find it pretty much anywhere

1735
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,319
retail online

1736
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:07,680
amazon i hope if people like it they'll

1737
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,000
write

1738
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,559
a little amazon review it helps me a lot

1739
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:11,839
um and mostly

1740
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,559
if i could point people to goodreads

1741
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,240
where they could punch my name in

1742
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,960
i'm about to hit northern california so

1743
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,480
i've got gigs

1744
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,480
from santa cruz all the way up to

1745
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,240
hoplins and i would love to see some

1746
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,839
people in person

1747
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:28,720
i have a really fun talk that ends in a

1748
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,359
juicy

1749
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,200
conversation with everyone who attends

1750
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,280
so it'd be great to see people

1751
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,680
very awesome um that also just real

1752
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:37,599
quick prompted uh something i saw on

1753
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,559
your swa

1754
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,799
swapo ramarama events that you put on i

1755
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,000
was looking down the list to see if

1756
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,520
there's one near san diego

1757
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,440
and i got a good laugh out of one stop

1758
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:47,599
on the tours in sonoma county

1759
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:50,799
at the wells fargo center for the arts

1760
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:54,640
i was like wow it's pretty ironic isn't

1761
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:54,960
it

1762
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:57,920
yeah they got their hands on everything

1763
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,480
but um

1764
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,319
awesome you know it's been a real blast

1765
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,599
and i hope the next time i'm driving

1766
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:03,119
through new mexico i'd love to see what

1767
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,160
you guys have done

1768
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,839
do you guys do tours or do you show

1769
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:08,000
people um do you do workshops like that

1770
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,280
at all

1771
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,359
uh we let some folks in that are

1772
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,040
like-minded and

1773
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,799
really doing something themselves if we

1774
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:16,400
had our door open all the time we would

1775
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:18,160
do nothing but it gets pretty

1776
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,119
challenging

1777
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,960
so we try to pick our moments but we

1778
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,559
would love to have you greg

1779
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,960
and um anyone who wants to write a note

1780
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:26,640
and you know let us know they're coming

1781
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,040
through

1782
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,960
if we're around and can make space we'll

1783
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,799
try to do it that's awesome

1784
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:33,040
well hey thanks again wendy take care

1785
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,400
out there it's been awesome

1786
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,880
great talking to you thanks greg take

1787
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,839
care

1788
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,920
there it is people wendy tremaine giving

1789
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,160
us an out maybe sustainable living off

1790
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,920
the grid seems a little less risky to

1791
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:45,520
you now a little less foreign or

1792
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,480
inconvenient

1793
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,520
or maybe we just see those

1794
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:49,200
inconveniences as drops in the bucket

1795
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,720
compared to the benefits

1796
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,960
of the freedom the freedom to wake up on

1797
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,799
your own time pursue your own interest

1798
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,680
in education

1799
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,920
develop skills that you admire seeing in

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01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,720
others

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01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,720
be a guy who can fix a car or make a

1802
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,079
battery for christ's sake

1803
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:04,240
look it's too late for me people but you

1804
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,839
can still save yourself

1805
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,680
i assure you thanks for listening

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